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Redirects and the Advanced editor

Hi ElNando888,

First a quick thanks for fixing the canonical base pairs article, I ran out of time to check on whether AU pair or AU bond existed so I'd left it as AU pair. I notice that the advanced editor doesn't have the option to create a redirect, but I'm fairly familiar with them in wikipedia, so I was trying to work out a solution for people (such as myself) who tend to forget which colour each of the bases are using in Eterna, without thinking I know that red green is very strong, and that blue yellow is medium, with red blue being weak. I also remeber GC is strong, and GU is the one that tends to have player challenges, so it's obviously weak, and thus I can work out that red must be G, guanine.

But sometimes a bit of text is tricky enough (with only A level biology) to mean I get confused. so my plan was to create a series of redirects A redirecting to Yellow redirecting to Adenine and similarly GC pair redirecting to red-green pair redirecting to Guanine Cytosine bond the hope being that the mouseover text would be enough to remind players using the letter or colour system which one was meant, but also clicking either would lead to the correct page. 

I think the advanced editor has put a spanner in the works by automatically adding < p > and < / p> around the #REDIRECT target I'm not 100% sure it would have worked with the mousovers in the same manner as a piped link anyway, but as you seem to be a man of programming skills I thought I'd see if you had the solution.

Also I don't enjoy using the advanced editor having learnt the wikimarkup fairly well, and I've noticed that when you preview a page it kicks in enough to change what you wrote inserting lots of < p > - and it actually automatically killed off the words , < nowiki > and replaced them with p leaving the nonsense string UNIQ3d604ae31d52b6c5-nowiki-00000002-QINU in the middle of the message, I've tried it again this time without preview in the hope it saves correctly. Incidentally I'm now watching this page, so you can reply here. Edward Lane (talk) 06:45, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Hi Edward,

And well, welcome to the EteRNA wiki. It actually feels good to actually encounter another soul in this rather desolate and deserted wiki. I could make a short historical account if you're interested some day, but to make it short, this server is a "restart" from a previous effort, and nothing much happened here until I plunged around mid-April.

A number of the current issues in this wiki stem from the early choices of the sysop (how do you prefer to call them? sysop? wiki-admin?), Diana. She thought that a WYSIWYG editor would be easier for newbies... And she chose this extension, which is actually documented as incomplete and breaking some of the natural wiki-formatting.

So, yes, just like me, you had to find a work-around for creating redirects... sigh...

And yes, nowiki doesn't work too well, bullet lists cannot be made normally (the wiki way), it must be done in HTML, etc... sigh again...

About your efforts around the color-coding in use at EteRNA, I was skeptical at first, but I can see the point better now. Still, as documented in the link I placed in the comments of the undo, this (double-redirects) is not supposed to happen in MediaWiki. So I think it would be better to try to think of another way... By the way, I left some comments about the blue and yellow colors being used for other purposes in EteRNA, what do you think? At first, I was about to ask you to modify those redirects, but now that I think a bit more about it, I wonder if we shouldn't petition for other colors when it comes to chemical mapping data. What about the purple+limegreen combo as a replacement for the blue+yellow?

Oh, and about colors, I'm not sure if you noticed, but I created a few templates for displaying sequences: A, U, G, and C. Maybe they can be useful to you too.

-- ElNando888 (talk) 07:19, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

::I like the templates, and I don't have a preference sysop/Admin/whatever. The what you see is what you get approach is ok, and it seems wikipedia is about to trial such an interface in the hope of retaining/attracting a more diverse editorship. I'm totally happy for you to ammend any/every bit of content I've created on the wiki. It might be worth creating a generic talk page - that lets people work out conventions base pairs rather than base pairs for instance means any article titles being non plural gives you less red links (or at least no need for redirects from single to plural etc). No double redirects is fine -and generally a better idea than my approach. I'm not sure about any obvious blended colour scheme for a pairs - a template:GU pair that looked like GUpair might be cleaner.

Edward Lane (talk) 16:13, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

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